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Ram
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like Vaidy & Vatsan are already accepting to understand my point of view.

Vaidy wrote:

Vaidy wrote:
THERE IS NO NATHI MOOLAM OR RISHI MOOLAM FOR MSV'S CREATIONS


My whole point is just this. Murali Mama is trying to say that MSV's NATHI MOOLAM and RISHI MOOLAM is towards this or that direction. (CHORD BASED DIRECTION). All I'm trying to refute is, when it comes to MSV's music, we cannot conclude any direction. HIS Music comes from ALL Directions and for the most part it becomes DIRECTION less too! We cannot (and please DO NOT) put direction boards like "TAKE LEFT FOR MSV's RISHI MOOLAM!!!". It is not only unacceptable, it is even exposing exposing us as "Music Ignorants" to a Musically aware onlooker!

Now Vatsan wrote:

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Murali....your response could have been to state "MSV uses chords ALSO". Plain and simple. We all know that MSV uses raaga ALSO and along with that he brings in his own brand of light music


AGAIN THIS IS PRECISELY MY POINT TOO. He uses varied tools - not just one called CHORDS. It is highly impossible to stick to any kind of pattern whatsoever. This is clearly evident in MSV as a personality and MSV as a musician - and more evident in his music itself.

ONE song he uses chords (ENNA ENNA VAARTHAIGALO)
next song he uses Raaga Bhavam ("HELLO MY DEAR WRONG NUMBER" - specifically the line "KARNAPANI OOR AAYIRAM"),
next line he gets inspired from INSTRUMENTAL TONES (listen to "ORU NAALILE PRELUDE TO UNDERSTAND MSV's GENIUS IN USING INSTRUMENTS),

So when it is like this - I beg with the question - how can we conclude it is CHORD BASED sir ???

Now do you get my point? We just cannot contain and conclude MSV when he sits for a composition. The way the creative genius works is "MAVERICK" and will even drive one crazy..... like how it continues to drive all of us crazy even after decades after composition.

Now Murali Mama, you also start to see patterns and start to give statistics! "You say 2 out of 3 songs in his 3000 odd songs are inspired by CHORD BASED APPROACH" Wooooow sir. Are you trying to patternize MSV's music? Are you trying to theoritize and conceptualize MSV's music? Are you developing a "framework" around MSV's music? This kind of approaches are not only limited, but is also heading the readers to wrong conclusions that "MSV IS A CHORD BASED COMPOSER". Again I plead you to reconsider your approach and outlook...... "HE IS NOT !!!!!"...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On just re-thinking.... I'm going to leave this topic right here..... As Vaidy said "IT IS NOT WORTH IT"

If you conclude "MSV IS A CHORD BASED COMPOSER" please understand - it is just your own personal opinion.

My conslusion is just this: "YOU CANNOT DECIPHER AND CONCLUDE ANYTHING ABOUT MSV. MSV IS BOTH AS CHAOTIC AND AS HARMONIOUS LIKE A RIVER"

Let us agree to dis-agree and leave it there.....

Lets move on.

Thanks for the opportunity.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just one more point I would like to point here..... about the song:

The first line: Ennanga
Second Line: Sollunga
Third Line: IppavO

In the Ippavo, please apply the chord F Minor SIXTH. (F-MINOR + D). It will perfectly fit.

IN CHARANAM:

ஆடை மாற்றும் கலையோடு
ஆசை கொஞ்சம் ஏன் தந்தாய்
பெண்ணைப் போல இல்லாமல்

"பெண்ணைப் போல இல்லாமல்" - just before this line is sung for the second time, listen to an accordian streak that goes in the back ground as a flash.

The chord is again:

"F-MINOR-SIXTH"

Just play it on your keyboard and see...... This chord will touch your soul.

But in your playing you just played Major and Minor only.

For listening to MSV's music you should be very very sensitive to what is NOT conveyed as to what is OPENLY conveyed.

This F-MINOR-SIXTH is carefully hidden beneath the regular light music and carefully hidden for a casual listener.

MSV's music is beyond what you see obviously.

Note: This F-MINOR-SIXTH technique has been taken and applied by ILLAYARAJA and HARRIS JEYARAJ. I CAN GIVE YOU CLEAR EXAMPLES FOR THESE. That is another topic all-together - how other music directors have inspired and taken concepts from MSV's music!!!

YES - I AGREE. You can play chords for MSV's songs. Fine.

But if you think about what scope it offers for improvisation, it is mind-blowing. That is where MSV stands tall.

Example: In "Ippavo" (the third line in Pallavi) you can also use D-DIMINISHED!!!! Just play and see.......

Please again note that, you need to have right tones, right volume in your keybord to enjoy and appreciate what I'm talking here. If you just play that chord and see, it may sound unsuitable, but on careful listening and research and application, you can see that this man has done way beyond regular major-minor-seventh chords as you mention.

Note that this kind of possibility of experimentation of CHORDS - I have seen ONLY with 2 composers - ONE MSV and another A.R.RAHMAN. You just cannot apply these concepts to any song randomly. That will sound jarring!!!! That is the power of MSV's music.

His Music is derived from "SOUL" and NOT CHORDS !!!!!

I feel these examples are good enough to dis-prove your CHORD-BASED theory.

If you see this discussion as SCIENTIFIC, even disproving the theory should also be accepted.

My conclusion:

IT IS A DISGRACE IF WE CALL THIS MAN A CHORD BASED COMPOSER (OR A RAAGA BASED COMPOSER). THIS MAN HAS TRAVELLED THOUSAND MILES ABOVE THESE TWO CONCEPTS AND TAKEN MUSIC TO ATTROCIOUS HEIGHTS!

MSV IS NOT A COMPOSER TO FOLLOW A PATERN (LIKE CHORDS)- HE IS THERE TO SET STANDARDS IN EVERY ASPECT OF MUSIC.

Thank you!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think these points will help Murali & others to accept my opinion that MSV is NOT a chord based composer.

I can still go on with umpteen examples like this, but I will just put a hard stop here.

If you still stick on to your conclusion that HE IS A CHORD BASED COMPOSER - Sorry, I CANNOT HELP, only GOD CAN HELP.

As I said - let us gracefully dis-agree!!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ராம்,
பல பதிவுகள். ஆனால் இன்று ஆபீஸ் ல் செம்ம வேலை இருக்கிறது. சரியாக படிக்க கூட முடியவில்லை. எனவே Free ஆன வுடன் பதில் போடுகிறேன்.

ராம். உனக்கொரு சிறிய அட்வைஸ். MSVன் இசை என்பது ஒரு போதை நிறைந்த கிணறு. அதன் ஆழம் அதிகம். நம்மை உள்ளே இழுத்து விடும்.

ஆனால் நமக்கு பல கடமைகள் இருக்கின்றன. இப்போது என் நிலையையே எடுத்துகொள்ளுங்கள். நான் ஒரு msv ரசிகன்/என்னவெல்லாமோ ! . ஆனால் என் குழந்தைகளுக்கு தகப்பன். என் பெற்றோருக்கு பிள்ளை. என் மனைவிக்கு கணவன். என் நண்பர்களுக்கு நண்பன். என் வாடிக்கையாளர்களுக்கு பொறுப்பான service provider. ஆனால் நான் யார்? நான் நான் தான். ஒரே ஆதாரத்திற்கு இத்தனை வெளிப்பாடு. இதே போல MSV இன் இசையையும் பார்ப்பவர்கள் கோணத்தில் வேறு வேறாக தான் தெரியும்.

அது நிற்க. நான் சொல்ல வந்த விஷயம். என்னை போலவே உனக்கும் பல கடமைகள் இருக்கும். எனவே இந்த இனைய தளத்தில் உனது பங்களிப்பு மேற்கூறிய அத்தனை பொறுப்புகளையும் balance செய்வதாக இருக்க வேண்டும். எனவே அதற்கான உறுதி மொழியையும் நீ எடுத்து கொள்ள வேண்டும். ஏனெனினில் முன் போல் அல்லாது உனது பங்களிப்பு இம்முறை தொடர்ந்து இருக்க வேண்டும். இதனை திறம்பட செய்வதற்கு உனக்கு திறமை இருக்கிறது என்று நம்புகிறேன்.

மேலும் இம்மாதிரி உனக்கு அட்வைஸ் செய்வதற்கு எனக்கு தகுதி இருக்கிறதா என்று ஒரு சந்தேகம். ஏனெனில் இதே இனைய தளத்தில் 'நான் உன்னை அழைக்கவில்லை' பாடல் பற்றிய பதிவு செய்து விட்டு அந்த hang over ல் office பூட்டாமல் சென்றவன்தான் நான். மற்றுமொரு சமயம் வீட்டிலிருந்து ஒரு முக்கியமான official meeting செல்வதற்கு hawai chappal மாட்டிகொண்டு சென்றேன்.

பிறகு நானே யோசித்து இதனை அளவோடு வைத்து கொள்ள வேண்டும் என்று தீர்மானித்தேன். Of course famil side லிருந்தும் அப்பப்போ பொங்கல் கிடைத்ததுண்டு.

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As I said - let us gracefully dis-agree!!!!!


முதலில் Vaidy upload செய்த ஒரு you tube link பதிவு செய்கிறேன். free ஆக இருக்கும் பொழுது அதனை பார். பிறகு பேசுவோம்.


http://youtu.be/7YXaTWVfQZI


http://youtu.be/-tLPj3Wz2pE

முக்கியமாக msv' ன் கை விரல்களை கவனி.

Vaidy/Vatsan.

Don't worry. I shall ensure that this debate goes within the boundary. I am
damn sure that a knowledgeable person like Ram, can argue. But once he gets the point then I am sure he will understand it better.

That is what Mandanamisra also did to Sankara in the city of Mahishmati!!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:56 am    Post subject: Resp. Reply with quote

Ram and NYM, both of you are essentially saying the same thing Smile MSV's inspirations are many, chords being one of the tools. Period. But let the maya continue Smile continue thinking that you are actually in disagreement so that good posts can come through.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Resp. Reply with quote

Vatsan wrote:
Ram and NYM, both of you are essentially saying the same thing Smile MSV's inspirations are many, chords being one of the tools. Period. But let the maya continue Smile continue thinking that you are actually in disagreement so that good posts can come through.

Excellent Vatsan! You nailed it.... When I closely observe(d) I'm saying the same thing as Murali Mama. There are many tools MSV used like the following:

Ragaas,
Tonic Shifts,
Orchestral Movements,
Forming Patterns in Melodies,
Concepts of ATTACK & RELEASE
Scale changes

And ofcourse CHORDS too......

Plus there are many more styles MSV used as tools which are yet to be given any name in the Music Theory world.

Plus Murali Mama's lines below:

Murali wrote:
From Where that imagination comes ?. We cannot find that source as it is a gift from the creative imagination. It is only the who conceives that imagination is so sub-consciously at a penance that he can only receive that imaginative musical piece. The only tool the composer has is that he plays a scale or a raga and waits for the imagination that strikes his mind.


So by this statement I NOW CLEARLY understand Murali Mama agrees that there is a "MYSTICAL ASPECT" too in MSV's music, which is the "TRUE SOURCE" (Vatsan - Wink ) of ALL Creation & Imagination. That is my point too..... So essentially we agree!

Hence we just cannot name him CHORD BASED composer, we should also name him as:

"ORCHESTRAL COMPOSER",
"TONIC COMPOSER",
"SCALE CHANGE COMPOSER" and also as
"RAAGA RASA COMPOSER",
"LYRICIST'S COMPOSER"

etc.....

Probably the CHORD BASED COMPOSING has appealed to Murali Mama a lot. So he should continue his research & discussion on that front.

So my discussions from now on will not be to refute our beloved Murali Mama but to ENHANCE his points of view on CHORDS BASED approach.

Murali wrote:
ராம். இப்போது நான் கேட்கிறேன். ஒரு நாள் நேரம் ஒதுக்கி என்னோடு இருங்கள்.


I'm waiting for that day to happen..... we should have a few other people too in that discussion, so that we will have total fun & enjoyment. Hope that day is not too far....

Love you Murali Mama.....
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Murali Mama,

1) I'm astonished by your knowledge in TAMIL LITERATURE. We should have separate discussion on that, as I'm also a "TAMIL AARVI".

2) Yes - I'm careful in executing my other responsibilities like Office, Home, Wife, Parents, Kid etc. Thanks for your caution note. BTW, I agree that MSV music is like a DRUG that will INTOXICATE you. I have learnt how to deal with that drug without affecting my other responsibilities.

3) Please try my F-MINOR-SIXTH and D-DIMINISHED chords analysis above for "Ennanga Sollunga" song. F-Minor-6 is the most sober (It will give you a depressed feel and diminished chord as you said it invokes voilence. But see how MSV used them in a happy DUET song. What a man he is !!!

Please read through my other posts above and expecting your response.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plus Murali Mama's lines below:

Quote:
Murali wrote:
From Where that imagination comes ?. We cannot find that source as it is a gift from the creative imagination. It is only the who conceives that imagination is so sub-consciously at a penance that he can only receive that imaginative musical piece. The only tool the composer has is that he plays a scale or a raga and waits for the imagination that strikes his mind.


So by this statement I NOW CLEARLY understand Murali Mama agrees that there is a "MYSTICAL ASPECT" too in MSV's music, which is the "TRUE SOURCE" (Vatsan - Wink ) of ALL Creation & Imagination. That is my point too..... So essentially we agree!

Hence we just cannot name him CHORD BASED composer, we should also name him as:



Ram. just Wait. Don't jump the gun. Now what I said was is "The only tool the composer has is that he plays a scale or a raga and waits for the imagination that strikes his mind'. Now if a composer wishes to make a tune based on a scale or a raga he has to play or identify a scale or a raga (depending on the mood of the song) and wait for an imaginative piece that strikes him. Invariably the tunes that strikes him would be in that scale or the raga

But the same composer wishes to create tune based on a chord he plays/identify a chord again depending on the mood of the song and waits for an imaginative piece that strikes him. Then invariably the tunes that strikes him would be based on the chord.

Now since you all look chords as a western music tool. But in simple terms each chord is in itself a raga with a mood. Due you know that. For instance a major chord is in general used for a happy mood. And the minor chord is used for a sober mood. In fact for a pathos mood even within the minor instead of C minor, F minor has much sobriety. Now just again there could be exceptions for the above rule by MSV himself.

But just check the song 'enge nimmadhi' 'maalai pozhudhin mayakkathile' 'aval parandhu ponaale' 'padaithaane' all in F minor. (I again wish to caution you that we always C scale as reference).

Where as happy mood would have C major. In fact intoxicating mood would be D major. (O little flower song comes to my mind).

So each Chord has a mood.

Now I referred a you tube link of MSV composing the song
'naan deivathaai petra pillai'.

What is your comment about that. If possible see the notations of the pallavi.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:37 pm    Post subject: PICK A SONG Reply with quote

Dear Ram, NY M, Vatsan [i]et al.,[/i]

அன்பர்களே
தங்களது விவாதம் , 'திருவிளையாடல்' படத்தில் வரும் "சர்ச்சை வேண்டியதுதான், ஆனால் அது சண்டையாக மாறி விடக்கூடாது" என்ற வசனத்தை நினைவுகூறும் திசையில் பயணிக்கிறதோ என்ற கலக்கமும் உள்ளூர எழுகிறது. புலமை தன்னை முன்னிறுத்த அனைத்து உத்திகளையும் கைக்கொள்ளும் என்பது எவ்வளவு பெரிய கூற்று என்பது இங்கே சொல்லாட்சியாக அரங்கேறிக்கொண்டிருக்கிறது என்பதை செல்லமாக 'மாமா' வும் மருமானும் விடாக்கண்டன் -கொடாக்கண்டனாக நாளும் வெளிப்படுத்திகொண்டிருக்க, செய்வதறியாது நிற்கும் பாமரர் கூட்டம் விலக முடியாமலும் , விலக்க தெரியாமலும் திகைக்கிறது. நிற்க. எம் எஸ் வியின் இசைத்திறன் களை எத்துணை விதமாக பட்டியல் போட்டாலும், பட்டியலும், நமது விழைவும் ஒரு சேர ஈடேரப்போவதில்லை. இறுதியில் அவர் ரசிகனின் தொகுப்பாளர் [composer] என்பது அனைத்து கருத்துக்களையும் ஒருங்கிணைக்கும் முற்றுப்புள்ளி.
வாதங்கள் தொடரட்டும் மனதில் வெறுப்பின்றி என்ற வின்ணப்பத்துடன்-- அன்பன் ராமன் மதுரை
பி.கு: தமிழ் ஆர்வலன் என்பதே முறை [ஆர்வி அன்று].
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MSV ரசிகர்கள் அனைவருக்கும் வணக்கம். In western classical, if a child is taught to compose a simple melody, the simple and easy method adopted is to base the melody on the basic chords known as the Primary chords let us say Tonic (C) Dominant or Dominant 7th (G or G7) and Sub dominant (F).

To say MSV composing style based on chords is not fair at all. I have said this, many times to our members since long time. Even as I say this, "MSV also inspired to compose songs based on chords" can also not denied.

Chords are only group of two notes or more played together. If it is broken, then played seperately.

My friends, listen to the Keyboard demo of my friend NYM of "Ennenga, Sollunga" and touch your heart and tell honestly, do you hear Ennenga and Sollunga... YOU DON'T . THE SWARA THEMSELVES ARE QUITE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT MURALI PLAYED AND THE OSCILLATION ARE COMPLETELY ABSCENT. BUT MSV EMPLOYED GAMAKAS OR OSCILLATION TO BRING OUT THE EMOTION.

IT IS CLEARLY EVIDENT THAT MSV DID NOT EMPLOY CHORD BASED TOOL FOR THESE PHRASE AT ALL....

THE SONG IS IN F# MAJOR. THE CHORDS EMPLOYED ARE ONLY SIMPLE CHORDS FOR THE WORDS ENNENGA, SOLLUNGA, IPPOVOO, EPPOVO BY P SUSHEELA. F# MAJOR, Db MAJOR (IInd inversion), Db Major and back to F#. NO Db6 EMPLOYED. I HAVE LISTENED ONLY FIRST 2 TIMES OF THESE WORDS AND NOT BEYOND... OUR IMPROVISION HAS NO PLACE IN THE ORIGINAL COMPOSITION. SOLLUNGA THE NOTE 'B" ALONG WITH Db MAJOR MAKES IT Db6. THATS ALL. BUT THE CHORD EMPLOYED Db MAJOR.

Who said carnatic music does not have chords?????? When a carnatic musician tuned the Tampura with Jeeva, the Sa should be heard along with Ga and Pa should along with Ri... If you play Sa and Pa. The major chord is inside SA GA PA .

Let us sing Sadarana 'G' in Raga Darbar... Just Press note Ga on Keyboard . Do you get Darbar Ga. Never... Because the swara is Ri Ma, First Part of Dm in C major scale. What is your Scale Hamsadhwani (Combination of broken chords of Tonic and Dominant major)...... S R G P N S (All periya notes) S G P - C Major P N R - G major . Mohanam scale S R G P D S ( Combination broken chords of C major Am and Dsus4 if you play mohanam in C major). Even as I say this, I hasten to add Scales are not Ragas .

CONCLUSION: FOR HEAVENSAKE, PLEASE DO NOT BRAND MSV, A GENIUS PAR EXCELLENCE AS A CHORD BASED COMPOSER WHO COMPOSED EVERY 3RD SONG BASED ON CHORDS . SOME SONGS MAY BE YES.... BUT IT IS A PITTANCE TO BRAND HIM LIKE THAT AS HIS MELODY INVOLVES HIS OWN GAMAKAS


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:18 pm    Post subject: MSV - THE CREATOR & NOT A MUSIC DIRECTOR!!! Reply with quote

Dear Ram, Murali, Vatsan & Forum Members,

I think the topic that we are all harping on is something that can be debated till the rest of our lives but with no concrete conclusion. The man who created all these remains in a Godly form as if nothing was done by him!!! True, MSV is a Swayambu and that is why he can accomplish very dizzy heights in music while even the seasoned / qualified find it impossible.

Ram your inference on MSV's creativity is too good an observation and that it straight away doesn't warrant a bitter arguement. MSV's music has enormous influence on all of us and let us all channelise it in such a way that every one gets to enjoy it. Please don't think I have become philosophical of a sort but when it comes to MSV's music, nothing do I need in this world. I don't really bother who has done what but HIS music is like my WBC & RBC. Omni present within my system.

Murali's arguement on MSV's creativity may be a good case study but can't be treated like a final authority or a referral point as no one till now knows what prompts him or inspires him to compose like this. The fact of the matter is MSV's music can be enjoyed in many ways and hence doesn't require any pre-requisites. A musically literate or an illiterate (like me) can derive the same pleasure without any hang up. So why on earth are we continuing this when we have better ways of enjoying his music???

To me MSV remains the most prolific creator, a musician who can keep my blood sugar under check and a man who will live inside me till I die and beyond through his music. I do not want msvtimes.com to turn a kurukshetra of sort as our site is made up of people from all walks of life where only the music of MSV matters and not the ability to analyse or throw view points or break down his creations to their chords or raagas. To me, understanding the writings of Ram or Murali or anyone who talks technicality makes any difference as I will not change my methods of listening to HIS music as I am absolutely comfortable with what I am blessed with. Last, but not the least MSV's music is most enjoyable without any pre-conditions. The moment we deviate, there comes the trouble in many forms and ego is not an exception....

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:55 pm    Post subject: WELCOME BACK SAMPATH FROM HYBERNATION!!! Reply with quote

Hi Sampath,

Perfect stand. Being a classically trained singer cum teacher, you openly agreed to the fact that MSV is beyond all the tools adopted by classical singers as they have a huge responsibility of guarding the dharma associated with it. In film music where it is not necessasy, MSV very cleverly or would it be more apt to say creatively used all that he learnt during his childhood days and packaged it into a system never before used by his predeccesors. Not only was it widely accepted but instantly captured many hearts that were hitherto tuned to listening to classical music based compositions. Hence, MSV surely was not only a rebel of sort but a sheer innovator and trendsetter too, who completely took advantage of what was available with him at that point and used it to the best of his ability / advantage where many would have feared to venture into.

To MSV, the worry of using a raaga or for that matter anything from the rule book never occured as he was a naturally born flamboyant composer free from the clutches of following rules & regulations. So, in my humble opinion MSV can't be fitted into any frame or a rule or a system as HIS creativity is as huge as this Universe and the usage of musical grammar if at all in any place is purely co-incidental and absolutely unintentional!!! MSV & HIS creations are surely different in many ways is also my humble stance.

We may give it any name or colour but the fact remains that they were created by a man who never saw all these, yet managed to captivate us all!!! Aren't we enjoyng it to our absolute delight??? Touch your hearts and tell me members....

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Vaidy,

Simply super.. Perfectly right and Absolutely true.

How anyone could imagine to compose these songs

1. All the songs from Karnan

2. Sonnathuneethanaaa sol sol

3. Enna Nianathu Ennai

4. Mouname Parvaiyaal

5. Oru naal iravil

6. Parakkum Pandhu Parakkum (Enakku Migavum Piditha Paatu)

7. Malai pozhithin

8. Vizhiye Vizhiye

9. Mella poo mella poo

10. Chinnavallai

11. Kanne Maniye

12. Ange malai mayakkam

13. Malarukku Thendral

14. Ninathen Vandhai

15. Pattathu Rani


These are very very few immortal songs and What a vairety...Only MSV could give this much variety
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:55 pm    Post subject: NEED FOR MSV - A PAIR OF GOOD EARS & NOTHING ELSE!!! Reply with quote

Dear All,

I wish to share my musical experience this morning. At about 5am this morning as I was surfing TV channels, I stumbled upon Kadaloram Vaagiya Kaatru on Jaya Max. Follwed by this was "Inbamey Undhan Per Vallalo" from Ithayakani. Over to my experience....

The song starts with a marvellous emsemble of instruments with the vibraphone leading the way. At the first interlude MSV introduces a huge volley of brass and what we see at that time is the massive flow of river Kaveri (Hoganekkal by any chance?, please correct me if I am wrong) and to understand the magnitude of the flow, the brass opened up like this I guess.

Malligai Thottamo Venpani Kootamo....as the song progresses so is the speed of the tempo along with it. When I watched this scene closely, the increase in the speed of the tempo was to accomodate the flow of the river in spate. Simply outstanding intepretation through instruments by MSV.

Now readers, frankly tell me where does the chord or the raaga find it's place here? In my humble opinion again, to listen to MSV's music all that you need is a good pair of ears and nothing is of any relevance beyond that. If anyone listens to his music thinking he or she is in for a technical treat from MSV, then they are grossly wrong. The moment one listens to MSV with a raaga or chord in mind, then straight away there is a disconnect between us & MSV, thus proving beyond any doubt that HIS music is different and that only a mind free from any pre-conceived notions can enjoy it thoroughly. I have shared my frank encounter with you all....

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