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S.Balaji
Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 772
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:49 am Post subject: Sumaithangi - Part 6 - Music |
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1961-62 have been eventful for the duo….the gradual rise to becoming top class Composers in tamil cinema….the era of dominance has just begun.…..the emergence of new trend ,light music… just a year before , CVS joined hands through NOA…the combination saw 3 magnificent movies….during 1962….while a majority of the Paa series happened during this phase, Sridhar had a fair share too with 3 movies…. Bagiya Lakshmi, Manapandhal, Palum pazamum, pasamalar, pavamannippu all during 61 …..Year 62 saw Alayamani, Bale pandiya, Bandha pasam, NENJIL ORU ALAYAM, POLICEKARAN MAGAL, SUMAITHANGI, Kathirundha Kangal, Nichayathamboolam, Padha kanikkai, padhithal mattum podhuma, Parthal pasi theerum, pasam, Shentharamai, Thendral veesum, Veera thirumagan ..
The sheer names speak volumes and stand as a witness to the great early 60s …..The famous Paa series , some very good movies of Gemini Ganesan were released then
With Sridhar , they had 3 more in the next 2 years, Nenjam marapathillai , Kalai kovil and Kadhalikka neramillai….
Also, it was during this period that P.B.Srinivas started singing for Gemini….while Kalangalil aval vasantham placed him straight away in high pedestal, the songs of SUmaithangi elevated him further to a lead singer…..while for Shivaji Ganesan and MGR , TMS was the automatic choice, PBS was extensively used for Gemini, Muthuraman, Kalyankumar and others….
For PBS, there was no looking back then….He sang for non Sridhar movies too for Gemini , Muthu …MSV regards PBS in very high esteem ….
The choice of S.Janaki as lead singer for Sumaithangi also is another interesting aspect. While NOA had P.Susheela singing all , the choice of S.J. is rather surprising ! S.J was chosen again for PKM, P.S. for Nenjam Marapadhillai ( except for Azagukkum malarukkum Jadhiyilllai ), Kalaikovil and KN…. |
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madhuraman
Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 1226 Location: navimumbai
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject: Movies -Aspecial Section |
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Dear Mr. Balaji,
On your observations about MSV's choice of singers, I wish to add a few points. Actually, SJ has been a singer since early 1960s but did not establish herself as a lead singer. All said and done the way PS was able to acoustically balance with most TF heroines [with perfect rendition of Tamil words] and her ability to pump emotions in a song literally kept many out of the race. Also SJ's voice was revealing as SJ's while PS managed to right away embrace the tonal qualities of the artiste on screen. No wonder PS was the best bet in an era where language and voice had to be perfect foils to the artiste. Yet, MSV used to make the best out of SJ virtually shadowing all the limitations in her range / voice. In fact in female duets LRE was preferred partner and only sporadically SJ was availed of. Only later when SJ adopted to sing club type romantic numbers, she had a higher share of songs. For reasons not too well known, PS was relegated almost like what was done to the status of TMS after a point of time. May be MDs wanted to have a distinct stamp and found it easy to utilize SJ. But, if one goes by articulate dexterity, PS TMS were legendary by their adaptive ability. Thank you
Warm regards K.Raman Madurai. _________________ Prof. K. Raman
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Baskar CS
Joined: 19 May 2007 Posts: 203
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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prof
it is really a big exercise as to how a MD chooses a singer and how he will have the output mentally readied even with out going for a take
does this aspect of MD decided by the tune ,situation or the actress or by personal choice of convenience .
just throw some light on this
if i am not maistaken i get a feeling that SJ was well utilised only in 60's and misused in from late seventies .
you know whom i mean |
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S.Balaji
Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 772
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Professor,
Quote: | Also SJ's voice was revealing as SJ's while PS managed to right away embrace the tonal qualities of the artiste on screen |
Thank you for giving an insight on to the selection pattern those days and why P.Susheela could lead by landslide margin...her greatest strengths as you right mentioned were the ability to match with the tonal base of the artists, the same virtue which TMS had ! S.Janaki found her match probably in the 80s with the arrival of stars like Radha, Revathy and others...
Sumaithangi has 7 songs :
Kalayai padaithavan Iraivan
This actually is the first song . Gemini wants to prove that his love to his friends by inviting Devika and VSR for a dance programme & also tactfully detains VSR outside so that he can have a free romance with Devika ! Kamala Lakshmanan performance a beautiful dance sequence …the song starts on Hamsanandhi scale….switches to a bit of Hindolam mid way….a very lengthy song , showcases the duo’s orchestration skills
Endhan Parvayin kelvikku badhil enna solladi Radha
Sung by PBS and S.Janaki , this is a breezy number for Gemini and Devika. Shot at Brindavan Gardens, soon after they concur …Starts with PBS echoing Radha Radha , standing on top of the KRS dam …the song runs at a very good pace ….there will be a beautiful whistling as interlude
Manidhan enbavan Deivamagalam
Shot at Marina Beach, this particular spot is a Sridhar favourite area for sure ! we had earlier covered in songs section : http://www.msvtimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=418
Mambazathu vandu vasamalar chendu
For L.Vijayalakshmi and her lover Raja upon Gemini nodding their proposal. Picturised in Brindavan Gardens too…this is another PBS dominated song …beautiful melody…that Ohoho humming by S.Janaki is a delightful creativity from MSV-TKR .
Radhaiketra Kannano Seethaiketra Ramano :
Indira Devi informs her good friend Devika about her engagement . A joyful moment for the friends and Devika takes it an opportunity to tease Indira on who is that guy and his qualities…A solo for S.Janaki rendered well…..
Mayakkamaa kalakkamaa :
The circumstances that justify this classic is explained in post on Kavignar. We had earlier analyzed this song too :
http://www.msvtimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1554
En Annai Seidha pavam naan mannil vandhadhu :
Appears just before the climax when Gemini still had some hope on his renewal of relationship with Devika…A solo for Devika sung by S.Janaki , a pathos song for Devika cursing her destiny and failed love. After this song only Gemini takes a final call …A frail situation well emoted by S.J. with simple orchestration , Violins dominate…
I haven’t heard much about the first song but all others have been extremely popular ….P.B.S. must have got the much needed recognition and elevation through this movie…he dominates ….be it those 2 love duets or the philosophical songs he rules …one of the best movies of the legendary Crooner….
The movie is a incredible album for the mesmerizing Champions MSV-TKR …..they showed their orchestration skills for the duets and also play a supportive role when Kavignar dominates for the 2 PBS solos….this was an ideal platform for them to showcase their light music talent and the songs were enormously popular with the 2 PBS solos being pick of the lot ….
Even the re-recording was well executed…the climax scene will have only the voices of the Clerics and Gemini’s voice distinctly heard….no music at all….a homework thoughtfully made ! |
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madhuraman
Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 1226 Location: navimumbai
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:32 am Post subject: movies a special section |
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Dear Mr.Balaji,
The silent BGM at the climax is more powerful than trying to score for a scene where each character has an altogether different mood and preference. Naturally no BGM is more telling than any other effort likely to cause at least a mild irrelevance. V-R need no special guidance on these matters.
Warm regards K.Raman Madurai. _________________ Prof. K. Raman
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madhuraman
Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 1226 Location: navimumbai
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: movies a special section |
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Dear Mr.Bhaskar,
Thank you for raising a few questions regarding choice of singers. The MD is thorough with the voice range of the singer and he is richly aware as to how far a singer can be utilized, for the ability to render all the fine nuances that nay embellish a number. Secondly the choice falls on a singer based on how different are the songs of a given movie. how often voice-fidelity has to be sustained. Look at KARNAN songs, there is no LRE though an infrequent voice of Soolamangalam Rajalakkshmi was utilized; same was the case in Motor Sundaram pillai using PS, LRE and Soolamangalam. A lot depends on voice-match, mood and the need to differentiate between voices in a song. For instance all songs in Karpagam for all artistes were done by PS while al songs in Policekaaran magal were by SJ .
It is often MDs' preference and the producer's approval of MD's choice. On occasions Kannadasan used to request MSV to have the song done by PS implying his desire to see his product through her voice. It is thus a complex item , but people like MSV quickly spot the adaptibility or otherwise of a singer.
Warm regards K.Raman Madurai. _________________ Prof. K. Raman
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Venkat
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 601 Location: Chennai, where MuSic liVes
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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Very nicely narrated dear Prof.
I wud like to mention below two such incidences:
1. Ammamma Keladi Thozhi
Kannadasan insisted MSV to use LRE for this song.
2. Alla alla by Shri.MSV from Mohd.bin Tughlak.
MSV had thought of using Mohd.Rafi for this song. But Cho was very adament in making our MM to sing this song.
Then paper-la ezhuthi kulukki pottu athula MSV name vanthu, MSV-avargalaye pada vecharam Cho.
Appuram than therinjutham, ella paperlayum MSV peyaraye Cho ezhuthiyiruntharam. _________________ Meendum Santhippom Viraivil...
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madhuraman
Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 1226 Location: navimumbai
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject: movies a special section |
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Dear Mr.Venkat,
Nice to read your supplements on Singer selection and how MSVwas elegantly taken for a ride by the well-meaning CHO.Actually Mr.Cho also had MSV sing some title songs in movies other than Md.Bin Tuglak. Those days [Even now] MSV was [is] a reticent shy man who would never project himself in any capacity.In how many songs MSV has llent his voice without craving to have his name printed on the graphite record or on any other publicity material. [Bagapirivinai, Padagotti, Paalum pazhamum are some movies where MSV has lent voice and stays innocuously silent. What he ignored has been firmly adhered to by later arrivals as a means of survival. I trust you gather the message.
Warm regards K.Raman Madurai. _________________ Prof. K. Raman
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msvramki
Joined: 18 Dec 2006 Posts: 418 Location: Chennai
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject: Re: movies a special section |
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. What he ignored has been firmly adhered to by later arrivals as a means of survival. I trust you gather the message.
Warm regards K.Raman Madurai.[/quote]
Well said Professor !
I definitely get the message !
Ramki _________________ isaiyin innoru peyar thaan emmessvee. |
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Venkat
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 601 Location: Chennai, where MuSic liVes
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Professor,
I would like to repeat what Mr.Ramki said.
Well said Professor !
I definitely get the message !
Beautifully said... _________________ Meendum Santhippom Viraivil...
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Mahesh |
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