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Pick a Song and Analyze-NAANORU KUZHANDHAI-Padagotti
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madhuraman



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:54 pm    Post subject: Pick a Song and Analyze-NAANORU KUZHANDHAI-Padagotti Reply with quote

Dear friends,
The present choice of mine is a song from Padagotti scripted by Vaalee and composed by MSV-TKR and sung by TMS for MGR
First the lyric
Naanoru kuzhandhai Neeyoru kuzhandhai
Oruvar madiyilae oruvaradi
NaLoru maeni pozhudhoru vaNNam
Oruvar manadhilae oruvaradi [Pallavi]

Naetroru thotram indroru maatram
Paarththaaal Paarvaikku theriyaadhu [Repeats]
Thodangiya paadhaiyil Thodarndhu varaaaamal
Dhooraththil ninral puriyaadhu [Repeats]
Pavalakkodiyae vaa
Chinthamaniyae vaa
MaNi megalaiyae vaa
Mangammavae vaa
[Pallavi]
Oorariyaamal uravariyaaamal
Yaar varachonnaar kaattukkulae
OaDiya kaalgalai Oada vidamaal
Yaar thaduththaar unnai veetttukkullae
Aaaavi thudiththadhu naanum azhaiththaen
Neeyum vandhaai en paattukkullae

Pavalakodiye vaa
..................
..................
.................. vaa
[Pallavi]

THIS IS AN EVERGREEN NUMBER THOUGH THE CHARACTER OF THE SCENE appears in disguise of an old man. But from the word go the song runs in brisk pace and has all the beauties of an ideal song. The lyric and orchestration literally vie with each other, Yet neither allowing the other to take an edge. What a marvellous composition?
The piece opens with string play and from then on it is TMS all over in grand style in carnatic grandeur. But the major part of the percussion has been done by bangos Until the peultimate stanza Pavalakkodiyae vaa till the very winding up.Infact Tabla takes over from bangos for Pavalakkodiyae vaa. At all other places it is a bango song though the song is essentially in carnatic rendition.
Every contributor has enriched this piece in lyric, voice embellishment and orchestration. Could anyone have filled the berth in place of TMS is undoubtedly doubtful. Valee has emerged as a grand poet in the first charanam [Naetroru thotram indroru maatram] hinting at the disguise that MGR was in. The men most felt [though not visible] were MSV- TKR as MDs churning a musical bonanza. Typical continuity between ludes , lyric tunes , interludes, change over from percussion styles between Bango /Tabla are all GRAND ELEMENTS OF LASTING VITALITY of this song. Amazing would be an understatement if we try to describe the seamless continuity in every spot through this magnificent composition. Our knowledgeable friends may please analyse the finer details of this music library.
Warm regards Prof.K.Raman Navi Mumbai
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prof. sir

The one used at the starting of 'pavalakodiye vaa' is Dolak and not tabala, I think. (the one used for the song 'gangaiyile odamillaiyo' in Raja and at the starting of 'Kannan vandhaan' from Ramu).
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:55 pm    Post subject: Pick a Song and Analyze-NAANORU KUZHANDHAI-Padagotti Reply with quote

Dear Irene,
Thank you very much for pointing out my erroneous conception of Tabla in place of Dolak. This is another advantage of being in this forum; it helps ust o set our perceprtions right. Thank you again.
Warm regards Prof.K.Raman Navi Mumbai
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vishwas



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 11:47 am    Post subject: Pick a Song and Analyze-NAANORU KUZHANDHAI-Pa Reply with quote

Dear Madhuraman,

Your analysis was good. Music +voice +orchestration everything was superb.

The song is evergreen and make you hum not just the lyric but the pre/ interludes as well- so down- to-earth in reach. That is the HALLMARK OF music by THE MMs.

However, I believe MGR was wanting in expression for such a good song. The tune conveys a lot of parivu , sneham,love, care and affection. This song sounds more like "ayirathil oruthiamma nee", may be not in mettu ,but in terms of these feelings. I agree the situations are different. But matching expressions were missing on hero's face.

That incidentally shows the greatness of NT

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Vatsan



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irene,
It is not Dholak, it is called Pakhwaj, has a tympanic sound. It looks like a mridang except that the ends are more tapered than they are in a Mridang. Typically used in Bhajans.
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S.SAMPAT



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Irene and Vatsan,

The instrument used in Pavalakodiyae vaa is neither Dholak nor Pakhawaj but another indian cylindrical percussion instument called KHOL. It is also called mridanga!! You can hear this instrument more in ISKON bhajans. Kindly go to the below site see the picure of it .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Khol_treble.jpg

If you want to listen to the sound of go to the following link

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1IyZ07wWePc


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Sampat
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irenehastings
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Sampath

Thanks a lot for your clarification, with Picture & Sound too.

I remember this instrument, but thinking wrongly, its name was Dolak. Now I get clarified.

This is the one that, someone wearing in the neck and playing in the temple, for the song 'Gangaiyile Odamillaiyo' in Raja. ( means MSV's Raja
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Irene

You are absolutely right.

With love
Sampat
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sriramp



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is my all time favorite song. This song starts from nowhere without much preludes but setting the tempo straight !!!.

What a rich orchestration! -- Be it the accordion that follows TMS voice so closely OR the background voilins that chase the accordion OR the rhythm guitar that is in symphony with the beat OR the rhythm itself that changes from western beat to a classical one. Touch of viswanathan-Ramamurthy in orchestration is evident in the way voilins in the BGM tend to sound more wavy where as the interlude voilins are flat and come together with flute. MSV's voilin usage is usually rich and flat all along.

And finally the way T M Sondarajan sings the songs is awesome, I doubt even Rafi can sing the bit "Partha parvaikku theriyadu" like TMS. This song is 45 years old and it is a revolution in changing the tempo of the song from classical to more folkish. As MSV said in the AIR radio interview "TMS namma nattukku kadaicha oru kalai pokkisham; nanga avorada voice vechi veladirukkom Smile ". This song is the perfect example for that.

Thankyou professor for opening a thread for this song.
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S.Balaji



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the top class MGR songs & thank you very much Prof. for posting it .
TMS should have been given the highest honour by MGR just for this song itself !
Its the melodious tune and the splendid orchestration again that comes to our notice . What a movie for the Mellisai Mannargal . Did they get any State award for this movie ? Prof. pls confirm .

And that dholak conversion at the end of the charanam is a real delightful change to the song , a surprise element . Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

S.Balaji wrote:
And that dholak conversion at the end of the charanam is a real delightful change to the song , a surprise element . Very Happy


Dear Balaji sir,

Onething should be noted. When MMs use the KHOL at the end of first charanam, then they will come back to Bangos, when the pallavi starts after the line 'mangammaave vaa'. But at the end of second charanam, they will not come back to Bangos again for pallavi, but continue the KHOL for pallavi too, till the end of the song
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S.Balaji wrote:
Its the melodious tune and the splendid orchestration again that comes to our notice . What a movie for the Mellisai Mannargal . Did they get any State award for this movie ? Prof. pls confirm .


Sorry Balaji sir,

This movie Padakotti released in 1964. In that year Mellisai Mannargal gave several wonderful evergreen albums, such as...

PADAKOTTI
KATHALIKKA NERAMILLAI
KARNAN
PUTHIYA PARAVAI etc....

(Engaveettu Pillai, Vennira Aadai & Ayirathil Oruvan released in 1965, Anbe Vaa & Chandhrodhayam in 1966)

But the sad thing is, MSV-TKR or MSV seperately DIDNOT get any award for music in these years. because of the standing rule that, 'MSV is unfit to get any awards'.

(theriyaathanamaa 1978 la 'Varuvaan Vadivelan' padathukku best Music Director award MSVkku koduththu thappu pannittaanga).


Another pathetic scene. In 1979 (everyone know, in that year only 'Ninaithaale Inikkum' the ever best music album was released) everyone, not only fans but common public too waiting that MSV's name will be announced for Best MD for NI, but then Tamil Nadu Govt (remember MGR was CM) announced 'Niram Maaraatha Pookkal' for Best Music Director award.

Vidunga sir.......
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

off late MSV got state award for MIRUTHANGA CHAKRAVARTHI.
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ramasamysujatha



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

அப்படியா !!!
அப்படீன்னா MSV ஒரு ஸ்டேட் அவார்டு கூட வாங்கலயா? 1960-1975 ல அவரோட ம்யூஸிக் ராஜ்ஜியம் தானே?
ரொம்ப தப்பு பண்ணிட்டாங்க!!!
இனி அவருக்கு அவார்ட் குடுக்கறதுக்கு பதிலா ….அவரோட பேர்ல ஒரு அவார்டு குடுக்கறுதான் சரி!!!
நல்வாழ்த்து நான்(ம்) சொல்வேன்(வோம்) ….நல்லபடி வாழ்கவென்று!!!

Since the Tamil message is not coming...I translated in English:
(effect of expression is always more in our Great Mother Tongue !)

Is it?
So MSV was not offered even a single award during his peak period 1960-75?
What a Blunder?
Ok…Instead of Giving award to him…create Award in his Name!!! That should be the right approach!!!
We Wish for him…For his Long Musical Life !!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:40 am    Post subject: Pick a Song and Analyze! Reply with quote

Dear Mr Ramaswamysujatha,
If MSV has been a composer beyond the mental horizons of the average humanityto understand, the utter recalcitrance of the entire TF industry even to make a genuine effort seeking some recognition of a national standing for him, is even more perplexing. As irony would have it, irrespective of the various political outfits of the state that have held office in TN from the 1960s to date, MSV has enjoyed cordiality with all chief ministers and ministers. For how many of them, he has composed songs for the movies as well as for party propaganda?All of them knew only to use [Exploit?] MSV for their ends. Not one of them ever felt it their duty to honour this great composer. Let us not cheat ourselves by imagining that they had to be reminded of this man, for every year they have been suggesting names of eligible recepients on one plea or the other. It is totally devastating to believe that a man of the calibre of MSV has to say unsung like this. It has been my reconciliatory philosphy that CREATORS have never received any awards from any government - including all the GODs and other frontline innovators like the Trinity of Carnatic music.
MSV has been a creator - what else to say?
Warm regards Prof.K.Raman Navi Mumbai.
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S.Balaji



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PADAKOTTI
KATHALIKKA NERAMILLAI
KARNAN
PUTHIYA PARAVAI
etc....

Dear Irene,

This indeed is a sensational stuff from the Mellisai Mannargal ! Shocked

Then for each of the above listed movies, they deserved a National award . What a pity, that these movies went unnoticed !

Atleast for Karnan, it was Hindustani music and all ragas were consciously set to Hindustani style, the Jury should have got mesmerized by such a composition !

As Ramasamy Sujatha rightly mentioned, any future award should be named after the Master
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